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Interview with Andrew Mah (Guitar)

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The Winner of 2002 International Web Concert Hall Competition

(Honorary Mention)

andrew_mah.gif (10409 bytes)Andrew, tell us about your musical background.

I come from an extremely musical family. There are professional musicians on both sides and my father builds guitars. When I was a child, my brothers played music with classical guitars hoping that someday I would be a great guitarist. Of course this made me very disinterested and I ended up spending my early childhood mostly interested in sports. I joined a church choir when I was nine that was coached by Godfrey Hewitt (father of famous pianist Angela Hewitt). At the time, I just auditioned for fun and was taken in very enthusiastically. Soon, I was singing solos quite regularly. At that time I didn't actually read music but able to quickly learn and memorize music. It was more than a year before anyone found out before they noticed my musical talent. I was in this choir for about 5 years and it gave me a good foundation in phrasing melody lines and listening skills to basic harmonies and its construction. Near the end of the choir life, I became interested in rock music and decided to learn some instruments. Of course there were many guitars nearby so it was quite natural to grab one and start with it. I decided to become a professional musician very soon after that and that led to lessons, performances and master classes. I actually went alone to the Guitar 87 festival when I was 16 and did nothing but practice and go to concerts and classes. I went to several other festivals and early on saw great guitarists like John Williams, David Russell, Hubert Kappell and Manuel Barrueco. Around this time I also switched to an arts based high school and did my first performances of the Bach Chaconne, Paganini's Caprice 24, Rodrigo's Fantasia para un Gentilhombre, and other standard repertoire. I also played string bass and electric guitar very extensively and got to be in pit orchestras as well as play lots of orchestral repertoire. This school was a great experience and we often played music for several hours every day.

When I left there I took a year and competed locally (and won), completing my Grade 10 RCM (first class honors) without a teacher. I also performed extensively with my rock band at the time. I spent the following year at the Conservatoire de Musique du Quebec a Hull studying with Patrick Roux. This was a great period as I was constantly performing and was part of the quartet Guitares Nouvelle France which performed extensively in Quebec and later toured France. I had continued attending guitar symposiums and festivals and I decided to compete a little more after that. I was accepted as a competitor in the GFA international competition in Miami in the early 90's. I think the last year they had a tape round. This led to several more applications and acceptances to international competitions.

In 1992 I moved to Toronto to join another guitar quartet that unfortunately broke up just a few weeks after my arrival. I decided to attend the University of Toronto while I was there and study with Norbert Kraft. I had a difficult time there because of the number of outside solo concerts I had committed to and actually became quite ill at the end of the year. I applied to Eastman school at that time and was offered a scholarship but unfortunately I did not have the financial means to attend. I then spent about 5 years living in Toronto and playing in every environment one could possibly imagine. I was a street musician, subway musician, reception musician, wedding musician, played in pubs, taught, played sessions, played many concerts and played every style of music and ensemble imaginable still focusing on classical guitar. Probably bad career choices, but I must say I look back on those years with a certain fondness. At that time I was still thrilled just to be a working musician.

Around 1998 I became tired of that life and decided to release a CD recording and really show the world what I could do. I moved back to Ottawa but unfortunately was unable to complete this for a few more years. In 2001 I released my first CD and put up my website at www.andrewmah.com .  I did all the production myself and it has received rave reviews. My ambition has done nothing but grow since then and I'll be doing my second recording this year. I am very proud to be a winner in WebConcertHall and in Sept 2002 I was the only person in North America invited to compete in the San Francisco International Guitar Competition.

Who are your teachers? And when you recall some of your teachers what are the first and best qualities you remember?

I was a very difficult student and most teachers probably didn’t know quite what to do with me. I challenged them constantly, and was not always good to them. I also had a distinct personal style from very early on which I'm sure must have been very difficult for teachers to deal with. Teachers usually mold students and help them develop. It always seemed natural to me to play pieces in certain ways. Sometimes these ways were very much at odds with conventional interpretation and they were very often at odds with my teachers’ approach.

Playing string bass in string ensembles also had an enormous influence on my guitar playing. It taught me an enormous amount about voice leading and movement.

Garry Elliot was my first teacher. He gave me encouragement, inspiration and lots of musical basics with regard to execution on the guitar, also lots of enthusiasm and constructive debate on how to play. I always asked him to show what he meant instead of just telling me, and that really helped me. He also advised me to go to festivals, etc. Garry was the person who convinced me to start the classical guitar.

Patrick Roux was my second teacher. He gave me lots of good, hard work to do and was VERY well organized in terms of practicing schedules. Patrick really helped me to maximize my effectiveness in terms of preparing concert programs and choosing repertoire. He gave me an enormous amount of performance opportunity and even helped with a tour abroad. He is one of the hardest working teachers/musicians I have ever encountered.

David Russell was definitely my biggest influence on the guitar. When I first heard him play right next to me in a master class, I was in utter disbelief at the beauty of his tone and natural fluency of his phrasing. I followed him to a very large number of his classes, played for him many, many times and for many years I did everything he said. He was the model for excellence that I needed at that time.

Norbert Kraft helped to temper my many influences into a personal style that had cohesion. I think he and I agreed little more on what is good playing and what is not, but we also debated a great deal. Above all, I think my time with Norbert gave me a greater confidence in my ideas and myself as a musician.

My present way of playing is definitely my own creation that I see as separate from my instruction, as opposed to developed from it. I have made a conscious effort to redefine myself as a musician, and to pick repertoire that I love. There were many facets of playing guitar I wanted to pursue but they were a little taboo in certain circles. This made it necessary for me to break with tradition and what I had been taught. For example, the idea of a guitar player who can play as fast as the average violinist or pianist is quite uncommon. I think I can say without prejudice that my teachers and most guitarists who influenced me discouraged me from pursuing this goal. I think this was for some reason considered to be a less musical and poetic way of playing. A strange interpretation, but it seems to pervade the guitar world. I try to operate on the other side of the coin. That is to say, there are guitarists in styles outside of classical guitar who are as fast as violinists, and pianists; particularly in flamenco. We know it can be done. So my goals in that respect are to take the elements of raw physical speed that equal the standard of other classical instruments and use them in an appropriate and musical fashion just as other instrumentalists do.

I also feel this way in regards to the use of tone color. There is often a feeling among students that the guitar should sound even, as if we should strive for the same tonal profile on every note. I think that's a good approach until you can do it, but after you have the ability to play uniformly, there is the possibility to control the exact sonority of each voice that you play. I think it takes around ten years of hard work and study to get to this point and it definitely involves taking chances during performances. Many people may think it’s not worth it. This is the stage I am exploring more now. I am cultivating a very subtle control of tone on every voice. The guitar can do this much more than most instruments and I think it should be developed and studied at advanced levels rather than avoided.

How did your teacher influence you as a musician?

My teachers gave me confidence. Through discussion, experimentation and debate they helped me define my identity, setting the stage for my later musical ambitions.

How did your friends, parents, etc. influence you as a musician?

They were an enormous influence early on. My brothers all played guitar, most of them quite well, so there was a lot to compete with growing up. My family is known in this area for great guitar playing so there was a bit of a legacy to live up to. My father was also deeply involved with the Guitar Society here in the 60's and 70's and helped bring many great players to play concerts here. He also helped bring many great luthiers to lecture and teach. My mother has been listening to classical guitar for around 30 years now. I often play programs for her and ask for her input which I value more than most people's. She's actually a pianist but has a very keen sense of good musicianship, particularly on guitar. My girlfriend Jocelyn really helps me a lot too. We spend a lot of time together working on performance exercises, recording, and just critically evaluating things. Without the persistent support of my friends and family, it would be very difficult to grow the way I want to.

Do you have a practicing method you follow everyday?

My practice method is always developing and evolving. Daily practice these days is from 3-5 hours. I always spend the first 45 minutes just doing anything I want; improvising pieces, reading or just playing with tone. Sometimes I play jazz too. I feel its critical for me to enter the practice session without a sense of pressure so I stay relaxed and free. Aaron Shearer once said to me that the guitar should be like a friend; something you look forward to. I take this advice to heart. Its a little like the idea that its important to cheat on your diet in moderation, otherwise you will be depriving yourself and may go overboard later. After the first 45 minutes I engage in the more disciplined and detailed part of the session and then finish by running through repertoire in a concert style. Sometimes I spend most of the time working on a piece if I need to perform it soon. It does vary a great deal.

How much do you practice daily before a performance?

Before a full concert, one hour of warm up. Before a short performance at least an hour and perhaps more if I feel need it. I like to feel thoroughly warm and ready to go before going on stage.

What do you do when you don't feel like practicing for a week or even a month? How do you cope with it?

That's always a difficult issue. I think it's always important to take responsibility for it when I feel uninspired. Usually it is just a sign of loss of perspective and if I listen to lots of music and musicians that I love, I am motivated again. Repertoire changes can help too. It's very important to keep in mind that it is something that one is doing to oneself, and you can find a way out if you try hard. Lately, I’ve spent a lot of time thinking back to the first things that excited me about my instrument and the music I play. That sense of innocent wonder is so important to preserve. Sometimes though, it is really best to take some time off and just forget that I'm a musician. I almost always play better when I go back. I think that like any discipline, extra rest is needed. Again it’s a matter of perspective and sometimes getting some distance is the best way to establish that. The really interesting challenge is to find the music inside you when it seems lost. I think times like that should really be viewed as pivotal opportunities. When you get back in touch with your playing after feeling disinterested, it strengthens your resolve as a musician, and makes it easier both when things are going well, or not so well. If you do just the right thing it can happen in an instant.

In your opinion, what is your strength in your playing?

When I play, I give completely of myself. I let out all of my feelings and am completely vulnerable. I think this gives a certain purity and sincerity that not everyone can offer. I think my strength in performing can be summarized simply as 'abandon.'

What do you hope to accomplish as a musician?

Musically I'm searching for a sense of being able to do anything I want on my instrument. Any sound and any musical style I can conceive of. I want to play with no thoughts of anything; a direct connection to the music and nothing else. I think this pursuit will infuse my playing with the energy and love of the music that I feel so deeply inside. I hope as I come closer to this goal, audiences and people will feel it and be moved by it. Professionally, I have the somewhat lofty goal of being a very great guitarist who has an influence on the way guitar is approached and considered in the world. I think we are still below most other instruments and we will stay that way without a lot of change in pedagogical approaches. This goal will of course require fame.

Do you like any other forms of art? Tell us about it.

I enjoy and respect all forms of art. As far as literature I have loved Tolkien and C. S. Lewis from an early age; maybe it’s something about my half British heritage. I am also a fan of comic books by Marvel, DC and I love Todd MacFarlane's work too. Some of the artwork in modern comics is breathtaking. I generally enjoy fantasy and role-playing mythos. It gives me a sense of childish freedom. Most of my favorite music is very painful or angry.

What do you do for a hobby, if any?

I have studied the Japanese martial art of Taijutsu for about 17 years and a few other martial arts as well. I trained very, very hard through the 90's and later was interested in Brazilian Vale Tudo (anything goes) fighting. I did a great deal of instruction as well, even teaching in Europe. Through Taijutsu I also studied the Feldenkries method. These practices have really helped me to develop my body awareness to a much deeper level than music alone could accomplish. I have to limit my training these days but I still really love the martial arts. I also enjoy many other outdoor activities like camping, boating, etc.

What do you hope to achieve ten years from now in your music career?

Ten years from now, I hope to be a significant name on the international music scene. I also hope to have had the chance to play chamber music with many of the musicians I admire the most today. I would also like to be very active as a producer and have a sizable discography that I am very proud of. It would be great to do some style crossover work as well.

In your opinion, what are the characteristics of a good performer?

A good performer has confidence in themselves, an excellent command of their instrument/medium, and a strong idea of what they are trying to accomplish. They may have some bad performances on the way, but developing these points is definitely a great formula for success. I would say they are the basic ingredients.

How do you judge a good performance?

That is another difficult question. For a music student, a good performance is one without too many mistakes, in a correct and distinct style, demonstrating good control over their instrument and having prepared with due care. These elements really define what one should probably display as one studies. I tend to judge students this way until they are quite advanced. For professionals, the rules change. I expect a level of playing that moves me. I want to be entertained and I want emotional communication. If I feel something sounds overly calculated, or insincere I probably will think it’s bad playing and may even feel annoyed that they've tried to put one over on me that way. I definitely prize sincerity and honesty in performance above all else. Sometimes students offer this and more and sometimes professionals fail. For example, there are many occasions where I have been more moved by the gentle innocence of a young student playing than by the master teacher’s attempts to fix their performance. This type of thought can make teaching difficult but sometimes when someone is young and sounds young, it is okay and I think it should be seen as a beautiful stage of life rather than something to 'correct' with a more mature version. Of course, this then requires deeper insight from the instructor with regards to what to correct and what to leave alone. From the general audience’s perspective, one must take all of the above into account at once. From the dispassionate 'judge' perspective that is also my approach, but from the perspective of my own enjoyment, I judge everyone the same as professionals. To summarize, I really try to see things differently and appropriately, depending on who is playing.

Do you believe a performer must attend a conservatory? What is your opinion on this?

Probably not, however in most cases it's a good idea. There are difficulties either way but it is much more difficult not to go than to go. Sometimes if you have a visionary approach you may not really be allowed to develop it very much in an academic situation. If this is a deep inner drive, a very gifted person may give up or feel invalidated by an institution. Sometimes unusual elements and strong characteristics can be affected or trained out by a teacher who is trying to mold you with the best of intentions. The question is complicated, but the simple answer is no. Some very gifted people have developed their talent well and become fine performers, never having been to music school.

MOL:  I think we need to wrap up at this point. So on be half of MusicalOnline, we would like to thank you for your time and we wish all the success.

Interviewed by MusicalOnline on October, 2002

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